zimdog: Mecca and Medina are off-limits to non-Muslims. Were I to go there I would very likely be killed by the inhabitants, or at the very least be jailed for my blasphemy. Which is the point I am trying to make with that snippet.
Zimdog, you know full well that Christians don't kill unbelievers as part of their religion, unlike Muslims, who are specifically charged to do so in the Koran. Don't play moral equivalency games with me. All of the things that the Left says it hates about Christians (intolerance, bigotry, etc) are found in spades in Islam.
I was just joshin' around a bit, but it seems I've struck a nerve. Thus, I must respond at great length because I am a thinker and have much to say on the topic, because as an agnostic myself, I can actually play unbiased judge.
I noticed you running a bias against the Koran. Aren't there also prescriptions for killing in the Bible? By forgetting this, you were being unfair to those Muslims who are every bit as compassionate as their good Christian counterparts. All believers must choose what parts of their holy book to interpret as the literal instructions for living. A believer who can balance rational thought with intuitive belief should understand that Mecca is a spiritual place, open to any who would be spiritual there, including Christians. Anyone thinking otherwise is not receiving his or her instructions from God (in any form).
Humans are becoming much more reasonable creatures than we were when we invented holy scriptures. We're coming to understand that to kill another human being requires a real reason, not just doing it because "the book told me to." That's the excuse of a spiritually weak person. This is why I remain agnostic, so my life is not dictated to me by static words in a book of belief. With agnosticism, some members of our species are returning to an evolutionary point when we each decide for ourselves what God says, rather than simply taking someone else's word for it.
I also noticed you slinging around some pretty weighty words of belief, primarily "the Left." I didn't know politics had become involved with religion... unless you're keeping track of the endless supply of evangelical moralists (from the Left & Right), who have, for more than a century at least, been pressing their own evangelical morals as a form of legal gospel (hence all the consensual crime laws bogging down our lexicon). This is, of course, despite the First Constitutional Amendment clear;y stating that freedom of religion includes freedom from the oppressive force of any one particular religion (in our case, Christianity's clear ownership of the US government and its practices, once again evidenced by the election and re-election of a President on key moral issues of sway, in particular gay marriage in 2004).
Furthermore, to respond to you statement that "Christians don't kill unbelievers as part of their religion," you're right. They don't. Instead, a "secular" government run predominantly by Christians wages capitalist ventures in Muslim territory, which are certainly not Holy Wars because the ones really benefiting are the corporate devils who make millions and billions by billing out the lives of American soldiers, based on the war declaration of an evangelical Christian President who believes in the Apocalypse. Of course, the second part is just a coincidence. Such deeply-ingrained religious beliefs don't invade government here like they do in Iran. No, here in America, in this day and age, money is still the most powerful god.
How's that for agnostic? If there is a God, I hope It comes down here soon and lets the new prophet know before all these feverish religions become the end of us all.
A newsroom comprised entirely of leftists/liberals is no more capable of ideological objectivity than an all-white newsroom would be of racial objectivity, or an all-male newsroom of gender objectivity.
Captain Louis Renault
"Round Up the Usual Suspects."
The Drawn Cutlass Philosophy
Be as decent as you can. Don't believe without evidence. Treat things divine with marked respect, and don't have anything to do with them. Do not trust humanity without collateral security, it will play you some scurvy trick. Remember that it hurts no one to be treated as an enemy entitled to respect until he prove himself a friend worthy of affection. Cultivate a taste for distasteful truths. And, finally, most important of all, endeavor to see things as they are, not as they ought to be.
Ambrose Bierce
The Foe
When I am free to walk the streets of Mecca or Medina as the agnostic I am and receive nothing but curious glances, I will believe Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.
Sign On. You Know You Want To.
A Few Words From Some Founding Fathers
All Men Are Created Equal. (Thomas Jefferson, Founding Father)
But Differ Greatly In the Sequel. (Fisher Ames, Founding Father)
Jeff Cooper's Rules of Gun Safety
All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. (For those who insist that this particular gun is unloaded, see Rule 1.)
Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target. This is the Golden Rule. Its violation is directly responsible for about 60 percent of inadvertent discharges.
Identify your target, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything that you have not positively identified.
Bob's Addendum To Cooper's Rules
A Gun is not a Toy. Don't Play With It.
Bob's Theory of Hush Puppies
Bob's Theory of Hush Puppies: The best hush puppies are oblong shaped, rather like dog turds. The worst ones are spherical, like balls. The spherical ones are usually made from the recipe on a pre-packaged box of hush puppy mix.
Restaurant Ratings
My restaurant ratings, mostly intended for BBQ restaurants, will be on a 1-5 scale, with 1 being the worst and 5 being the best. Unlike most reviewers, I don't intend to play games with the rating scale by introducing fractions such as "2 and 1/2" or "4 and 3/4," I've always considered that stupid and a signal that the reviewer is trying to avoid making an honest 1-5 judgment.
Here is the breakdown of the ratings:
1 out of 5: waste of time, crap, unable to finish eating; apathy by staff/ownership
2 out of 5: edible, but no effort to impress; staff/management going through motions; desultory.
3 out of 5: average; reasonably good food, moderate effort by staff/management
4 out of 5: good; tasty, well-prepared food, staff alert, restaurant clean.
5 out of 5: great; excellent food, cooked fresh. Staff attentive and proactive, management responsive to complaints. Restaurant spotless.
On Self-Reliance
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
6 comments:
Oh my, oh my...what a great video!
Steve
Very impressive video.
And while waiting to watch, I couldn't help but read your profile snippet. Ever been to Mecca or Medina?
zimdog: Mecca and Medina are off-limits to non-Muslims. Were I to go there I would very likely be killed by the inhabitants, or at the very least be jailed for my blasphemy. Which is the point I am trying to make with that snippet.
Word. So, where does an agnostic go to get killed by a Christian? The Vatican? Texas?
Zimdog, you know full well that Christians don't kill unbelievers as part of their religion, unlike Muslims, who are specifically charged to do so in the Koran. Don't play moral equivalency games with me. All of the things that the Left says it hates about Christians (intolerance, bigotry, etc) are found in spades in Islam.
I was just joshin' around a bit, but it seems I've struck a nerve. Thus, I must respond at great length because I am a thinker and have much to say on the topic, because as an agnostic myself, I can actually play unbiased judge.
I noticed you running a bias against the Koran. Aren't there also prescriptions for killing in the Bible? By forgetting this, you were being unfair to those Muslims who are every bit as compassionate as their good Christian counterparts. All believers must choose what parts of their holy book to interpret as the literal instructions for living. A believer who can balance rational thought with intuitive belief should understand that Mecca is a spiritual place, open to any who would be spiritual there, including Christians. Anyone thinking otherwise is not receiving his or her instructions from God (in any form).
Humans are becoming much more reasonable creatures than we were when we invented holy scriptures. We're coming to understand that to kill another human being requires a real reason, not just doing it because "the book told me to." That's the excuse of a spiritually weak person. This is why I remain agnostic, so my life is not dictated to me by static words in a book of belief. With agnosticism, some members of our species are returning to an evolutionary point when we each decide for ourselves what God says, rather than simply taking someone else's word for it.
I also noticed you slinging around some pretty weighty words of belief, primarily "the Left." I didn't know politics had become involved with religion... unless you're keeping track of the endless supply of evangelical moralists (from the Left & Right), who have, for more than a century at least, been pressing their own evangelical morals as a form of legal gospel (hence all the consensual crime laws bogging down our lexicon). This is, of course, despite the First Constitutional Amendment clear;y stating that freedom of religion includes freedom from the oppressive force of any one particular religion (in our case, Christianity's clear ownership of the US government and its practices, once again evidenced by the election and re-election of a President on key moral issues of sway, in particular gay marriage in 2004).
Furthermore, to respond to you statement that "Christians don't kill unbelievers as part of their religion," you're right. They don't. Instead, a "secular" government run predominantly by Christians wages capitalist ventures in Muslim territory, which are certainly not Holy Wars because the ones really benefiting are the corporate devils who make millions and billions by billing out the lives of American soldiers, based on the war declaration of an evangelical Christian President who believes in the Apocalypse. Of course, the second part is just a coincidence. Such deeply-ingrained religious beliefs don't invade government here like they do in Iran. No, here in America, in this day and age, money is still the most powerful god.
How's that for agnostic? If there is a God, I hope It comes down here soon and lets the new prophet know before all these feverish religions become the end of us all.
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